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The Best Screenwriting Tip I heard today (34 posts)

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  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    I got amazing the opportunity to sit next to James Orr at the Las Vegas Film Festival Screenwriter’s Panel. There were over 10 people on the panel and only one microphone and we only had 1 hour to chat… so there were some people that didn’t get to say anything.

    Ironically, James Orr, the one with most experience, gave only one response (I did three). I stuck around after and during the one-on-one Q&A session and I overheard the best bit of screenwriting advice I have ever heard.

    Here it is:

    Verbalize your story to others.

    I can’t tell you how sick I am of hearing filmmakers say, “I can’t tell you what my movie is about… it’s hard to explain”

    Verbalizing your story… telling it to people, will make your story stronger as you learn to tell it. You’ll be able to read the way the person reacts to the story – learn what works and what doesn’t.

    Then when you are ready to commit it to script form, you’ll have a better idea of how to write the story.

    Story telling… STORY STORY STORY.

    It’s all about the story.

  • Avatar Image Da_Cat said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    So very true! It is one of the best pieces of advice I have heard. I also would suggest that you speak your dialogue out loud, Many people are surprised by how somethings works so well on paper, sucks when spoken…. I learned that a long time ago, from a writer friend of mine, Of course he was known to mutter to himself at lunch, walking back to the studios, etc…. How little we knew about what he was doing….

    Films are never totally finished……
    ….. they just get a release date!
  • Avatar Image 8thSamurai said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    Glad I’m not the only one who does that. When I had seven roomates (we rented out a victorian), I would buy a pizza and get them to do staged readings for me.

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    I forgot about this until today… here’s another gem I heard from Mr. Orr.

    Write what you know…

    …is the worst advice you can give to screenwriter.

    Instead…

    Write what you know your audience will want to see

  • Avatar Image numballover said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    A very good piece of advice. I’ve heard it said another way as “If you can’t explain your movie in three sentences then you probably don’t understand it yourself”

  • Avatar Image Madison Paige said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    @Da_Cat

    Read your dialog aloud.
    AMEN! That is one of my most oft uttered “pieces of wisdom” (and correspondingly probably my biggest pet peeve of all time WRT to scripts – ridiculously unrealistic dialog).

    I read over a short script this weekend that was filled with words and phrases that are, indeed, English but that NOBODY who speaks the language has ever actually uttered, no matter their age. What IS it that makes people write dialog this way? I’m not even sure people realize it, even when actors flatly deliver the bad lines. You’d think it would be obvious at that point but…maybe not.

    I often find that when I’m writing dialog or a scene in a script, I have become so closely identified with the character(s) that I often will have to walk away after writing a particularly intense scene, just to clear my head. The words the characters SAY has to be who the ARE and where they ARE at that moment. A good writer is someone who can deftly “become” a character before writing down what that character says.

    @John
    That’s a great piece of advice. Every story should really be able to be summarized and condensed down to One Sentence. That One Sentence should pretty much suggest the entire tension and plot of a story, a lesson I learned from one of the best online novel writing courses I’ve seen.

    Protagonist with a need versus antagonist with a need in interesting
    setting… with twist.

    For example (also from the course):

    A desperate radiologist, armed with proof of a president’s cancer, races against time and the attending physician’s plot to kill the president.

    or

    A young widow left with two kids when her husband dies in a car accident finds forbidden love with the echoes of him the universe has left behind.

    This is extremely hard to do, BTW. I’ve spent weeks, literally, trying to create One Sentence for a story. It’s very difficult but as you say, John, it’s crucial.

    Be Excellent.
  • Avatar Image Simon Hosick said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    @madisonp said:
    A desperate radiologist, armed with proof of a president’s cancer, races against time and the attending physician’s plot to kill the president.

    or

    A young widow left with two kids when her husband dies in a car accident finds forbidden love with the echoes of him the universe has left behind.

    I think I’ve seen the first one.

  • Avatar Image Madison Paige said 10 months, 1 week ago:

    Heh. They’re not my stories, but are examples from a course I took.

  • Avatar Image Simon Hosick said 10 months ago:

    This morning, the author Lee Child was being interviewed and he had an interesting piece of advice – If you try to write a book for the screen, you end up with a bad novel and a bad movie.

    This, I believe, works both ways. Recently, I’ve been encouraged to write literature and after reviewing my collection of screenplays, I realised that they would not be adaptable. They are a completely different kind of story which doesn’t easily translate into literary prose. I’m not saying it can’t but I have a better idea about how to adapt books into scripts than scripts into books.

  • Avatar Image Madison Paige said 10 months ago:

    I started writing attempting to write novels. I finally realized, I just can’t. I can write scripts but damn if I can do a novel. But I have found that aforementioned novel writing course incredible. And I don’t say that lightly. It’s practical and very challenging.

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 10 months ago:

    This is because writing Screenplays is NOT writing (in the “creative writing” sense).

    Screenplays are not finished products. They are like blueprints.

    It’s like asking a draftsman who draws architectural diagram to paint a portrait of a house – it’s totally different.

  • Avatar Image Scott Jarvie said 10 months ago:

    @Gospel_John said:
    This is because writing Screenplays is NOT writing (in the “creative writing” sense).

    Screenplays are not finished products. They are like blueprints.

    It’s like asking a draftsman who draws architectural diagram to paint a portrait of a house – it’s totally different.

    Or asking a sculptor to paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel… oh wait;

    Dudley Do-Right says:
    “If it’s worth doing, it’s worth doing right!”
    “Remember to always look before crossing the road.”
  • Avatar Image Dennis said 10 months ago:

    @Gospel_John said:
    This is because writing Screenplays is NOT writing (in the “creative writing” sense).

    Screenplays are not finished products. They are like blueprints.

    It’s like asking a draftsman who draws architectural diagram to paint a portrait of a house – it’s totally different.

    I disagree.

    It IS writing. While it does not need to be prose, it should be “creative,” at least as a spec script. While a shooting script is more of a blueprint they both share one thing in common, their purpose is to express ideas.

    Expressing your ideas or more to the point telling a story is much more effective if it is enjoyable for the reader. And by reader I mean both the the big R and little r sense of the word. If your descriptions are creative and allow the script to flow you will get a much better response and your ideas will be clearer.

    I would suggest checking out the Matrix screenplay for a great example of creative descriptions. You can just see the movie in your head:

    http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Matrix,-The.html

    Now With Half The Calories Of Regular Bullshit!
  • Avatar Image Thurman Dalrymple, Jr. said 10 months ago:

    @madisonp said:
    @Da_Cat

    Read your dialog aloud.
    AMEN! That is one of my most oft uttered “pieces of wisdom” (and correspondingly probably my biggest pet peeve of all time WRT to scripts – ridiculously unrealistic dialog).

    I read over a short script this weekend that was filled with words and phrases that are, indeed, English but that NOBODY who speaks the language has ever actually uttered, no matter their age. What IS it that makes people write dialog this way? I’m not even sure people realize it, even when actors flatly deliver the bad lines. You’d think it would be obvious at that point but…maybe not.

    I’ve been to a few table reads- just to help the writer hear the words. It was a favor to my agent but it was really more of a favor to the writer/producer.
    Stella Adler once said (and I’m paraphrasing): you are drunk with the words! It’s a bond between ego and pride.
    I agree that sometimes we are so involved with the work that we only need to hear someone utter the words, after that, we’re happy to hear our written words spoken by another and we have confirmation.
    As an actor I consider the words as the personal property of the screenwriter/playwright.

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 10 months ago:

    @Dennis said:
    I disagree.

    It IS writing. While it does not need to be prose, it should be “creative,” at least as a spec script. While a shooting script is more of a blueprint they both share one thing in common, their purpose is to express ideas.

    Expressing your ideas or more to the point telling a story is much more effective if it is enjoyable for the reader. And by reader I mean both the the big R and little r sense of the word. If your descriptions are creative and allow the script to flow you will get a much better response and your ideas will be clearer.

    I would suggest checking out the Matrix screenplay for a great example of creative descriptions. You can just see the movie in your head:

    http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Matrix,-The.html

    You’re right – I should clarify – it’s not novel writing.

    It’s like asking William Shakespeare to write CSS3.0 for Dummies.