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Follow the trials and tribulations of a filmmaker who’s not entirely sure of his sanity as he dives into a dark thriller of a film: Pitch Black.

Editing in the Dark: Scene 1 (Opening Interogation) (35 posts)

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  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    Okay, I’m going to try something with this thread. Instead of me sitting here by myself editing this short alone, I’m going to post scenes as I complete them here so you can see how the film is coming along and yell at me for what I’m not doing right.

    We’ll see how long I can keep this up.

    So here’s the first part of Scene 1 – to get here was roughly 4.5 hours:

    password: rufusrocks

    I audio synced this first scene by hand – I’ve picked out a temp track to edit to – dropped in a few sound design elements and did some preliminary color grading.

  • Avatar Image Travis (Banned for Life) said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    There is a weird white flash at 1:23 that’s jarring and out of place.

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    @Travis said:
    There is a weird white flash at 1:23 that’s jarring and out of place.

    That’s the point :)

  • Avatar Image Travis (Banned for Life) said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    @Gospel_John said:
    That’s the point :)

    …. I’m sure that’ll maybe make sense later, but that’s the only “cut to flashback” that does it… so it feels very out of place within that clip.

  • Avatar Image Simon Hosick said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    Personally, I’m not a fan of the out of the box thunder clap. I think it’s cartoony and would prefer something a little more realistic.

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    @Dark_Water said:
    Personally, I’m not a fan of the out of the box thunder clap. I think it’s cartoony and would prefer something a little more realistic.

    Yeah I sort of agree – Some of those are in there just temporarily to be replaced as I go further down in the sound design… but it is raining in the flashback so the thunder is motivated.

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    @Sidney said:
    did you add the camera shake in post?

    The camera shake was from the camera I was operating :)

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    @Sidney said:
    Upon further viewing, it does seem limited to that camera, so carry on… If I may throw something out there, personally I’d like to see a lot more cuts/ins, but I suppose you’re working on that…

    Throw all you want in :) These are rough cuts

    I’m literally editing this alone – it’s good to get more eyes on it. (there’s also another half to this scene which I’ll post when I get it roughed out) where I’ll be jumping more between cameras.

  • Avatar Image Mike said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    Around the one minute mark there’s the shot of the killer standing over the trunk and it’s really bright. So much so that the whites are bleeding and giving off a glow. It’s very CSI-y. I think you either need to step her up to match that, or take that down a bit.

    My vote is take her up.

    Mike Hickey
    Baristo Pictures
  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    @baristopictures said:
    Around the one minute mark there’s the shot of the killer standing over the trunk and it’s really bright. So much so that the whites are bleeding and giving off a glow. It’s very CSI-y. I think you either need to step her up to match that, or take that down a bit.

    My vote is take her up.

    That blur was actually caused by the water on the windshield from the garden hose rain. The light on that was with headlights.

    Some of the color with her non-flashback shots is part of the problem with “editing in the dark” – during the day in a brighter room it looks too dim.

    I’ll polish that part of it later in the process.

  • Avatar Image Da_Cat said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    at 7sec “I know this must be hard for you…” since it is the first time we see her and him, you might tie them together by doiing an overlap with “I know” over her shot, the pacing is not very tight at that moment and tightening it up might help it.

    at 13sec :It’s Important Haley” cut to her faster, in the middle of the word “Haley” tighten it up a little, your music might be subconsciously cutting to fit phrases

    at 16sec after I’ll try his closeup, he stairs at her and then looks down I would tighten the heads of his shot and get to the head tilting down at least 1 beat earlier. in her next statements you can see the natural pauses that most actors do, to set up for the next line, it is sometimes why we make so many cuts. Also moving cameras (slightly moving) do tend to mask mismatches in action

    at 33sec delay the crash sound effect till the next 2 words are out of her mouth, or try the car screech much lower till she finishes and then cut it in up full on the black followed by the crash… check out soundsnap.com for some good ones.

    at the next shot, of her in the car with the rain on the windshield
    think about a somewhat slow fade in, like how someone would feel after getting their bell rung, also add sound effects, pieces of metal falling off the car, the engine running rough,

    at 44sec the trunk popped open, the cut away of the hand feels like a cut away,, cut it in earlier over her last line and start the next line over the cut away of her hand. then when it goes to the person in the trunk, cut the head of that shot till the action seems already going, it feels like i heard action then the person in the trunk moved, just trim the front and get to the heart of the shot earlier…

    at 57 sec She must have still been alive, to build tension do an optical effect here, a slow zoom in on her, then a slow zoom into the trunk, not even a half a field on a 10 field animation scale.
    at 1:08 he just beat her… move position of the shot farther into the shot, 3 to 10 frames so the action doesn’t have to much of a stall

    you have one flash, to make it a motif use it 2 more times, there is a rule of threes that does work a lot of the time, you might think about a flash during the wiped the blood off

    editorially why is the wiping the blood off the hammer to then inflict damage to our heroine so important, why would she know that, might use the flashes to help establish her frozen with fear, in fact maybe a shot that runs then the last 2 or 3 frames are frozen before a white flash hits,, think about the flash might cause an action to slightly repeat itself. use sound effects to accentuate the flashes, use them to really bring out the thuds, the moans and groans of the victim.. And somewhere (like the next shot in this scene) you go back to the investigator

    and yes the shots of her in the car need some contrast, and some lightening perhaps,

    All in all it is coming together well

    Films are never totally finished……
    ….. they just get a release date!
  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    Good stuff Rich – I’ll look at your suggestions and finish off the scene tomorrow – if I tried to tackle it tonight, I couldn’t do it justice…

  • Avatar Image Da_Cat said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    John never try to edit when you are exhausted unless you absolutely have to, which will happen many times during a feature, when there are certain deadlines to be met

  • Avatar Image Simon Hosick said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    Wow, that’s a real editing class right there.

  • Avatar Image Da_Cat said 1 year, 7 months ago:

    FYI The first X-men has 120 pages of notes like that…….

    and I am pretty slammed till after mid november, after that If anyone of the regulars want, I will do the same for their films