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Does it matter where you live? (24 posts)

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  • Avatar Image Gwendollynne Van Jules said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    This has been an issue on my mind for a while now. If you care about your career as a film director, should you move to a certain place in order to be successful?
    What if you don’t like L.A. (or whichever place you got) – do your chances to get hired or produce successful material decrease? Does someone who travels back and forth have the same prospect to “make it”?

    What are your thoughts on this?

  • Avatar Image Peter Cannon said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    I think it’s more about learning the craft, creating a number of good films as an independent filmmaker as just getting a reputation. I personally feel that entering films into festivals is a good way to get noticed. If you have some success, people will take notice. Particularly when you get to the stage of having something accepted into one of the bigger festivals. Studios have people at festivals watching keenly for talent in all areas. I’ve always been a proponent of getting stuck in an making it happen. I think there are other advantages to making films in smaller towns and cities too. The rules and regulations in the big cities can be restrictive and expensive to get around. There is often great support to be had in smaller places and often the whole town will get in behind a film maker/Director because they want the publicity for their town and want money spent there. That’s my 2 cents worth. Very interested in what others think about all this too. Good question.

  • Avatar Image Thurman Dalrymple, Jr. said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Consider living “near” L.A. as opposed to living “in” L.A. I know people who live in LA that spend 45 minutes just getting from one side of town to the other anyway. They live in a crowded area and it cost much more to live there (rent, parking, fuel, etc.). Yes you may spend more time traveling- but only when it’s necessary, and it’s more affordable. When I need to be in town I go up for the day…or grab a room at the cheap hotel if I need to be there for a few days…or hang with my friends.
    Hopefully others can help you, you never know.

  • Avatar Image 8thSamurai said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @Sidney said:
    I’ve tried that… Thing is, the nature of the business is that it’s somewhat of an “On Call” situation, in other words if you’re not on a show and dayplaying, you need to be able to answer the phone at the last second and if you can’t do so the job will end up with someone else.

    It’s the same in news or theater – you’ll get a call, and you have to be there anywhere from the next day, to an hour. If you can’t, the next person in line gets that call.

  • Avatar Image Da_Cat said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @8thSamurai said:
    It’s the same in news or theater – you’ll get a call, and you have to be there anywhere from the next day, to an hour. If you can’t, the next person in line gets that call.

    Sort of the same for Post Production, usually for the daily hires that find out the night before, or the day of when someone calls in sick, or doesn’t make it back to the lot.

    For people in features, it is much different in that you are usually hired for week/s at a time, I’m hired usually before pre-production starts, so I know when we are starting and where we are editing, and how big a staff I have, and who is the post supervisor, sound supervisor, etc… The one good thing that used to be about post production is that it lasted for months at a time…. now they want to do 6 months of work in 8 weeks, and everybody just gets thrashed making that deadline, and if you think production hours are bad, try working 36 hours straight then 6 hours of sleep and back at it again….. and that happens all the time to make deadlines.

    Films are never totally finished……
    ….. they just get a release date!
  • Avatar Image PlucharC said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @Gwendollynne Van Jules – That’s a difficult question to give a clear answer to, however, I’ll try anyway.

    I’ve done no formal surveys, but I’m willing to bet that the majority of people moving to LA throughout any given year are looking to act or direct. That’s not a fact that should discourage you, quite the opposite. I’ll come back to that.

    You’ll only become a director if you direct films. It’s as simple as that. I was recently told a story, which I’ll leave the names out of to protect the innocent, about a certain big-time director and an interaction he had with a production assistant who had been in LA for all of a week. The production assistant was working on this large scale set, but was lucky enough to end up near the action. Between set-ups, the director was just killing time, talking to the crew, etc.. He at one point approaches the production assistant and the conversation goes like this.

    D: “So, what do you want to do?”
    PA: “Well, I’d like to direct actually, but I know I have to work my way up from the bottom.”
    D: “Really? Hmmm.”
    There’s a brief pause.
    D: “You see that other PA over there?”
    PA: “Yeah.”
    D: “You know what she’s doing? She’s guarding an alley. You think she’s going to be a director any time soon?”
    PA: “Definitely not.”
    D: “When you leave here today, don’t come back. Get out there and start directing.”
    PA: “Thanks.”

    What the director may not have taken into account was a desire to learn the going ons of a bigger set and the way filmmaking “should” be done. But he’s mostly right. If you want to direct, direct. If you want to produce, produce. If you want to write, write. The more you do what you want to do, the better your shot of ending up there professionally.

    Now back to my other point. The fact that there are literally thousands of directors, actors, etc. out in L.A. is just as much an advantage as a disadvantage. They’re all hungry for work, desperate to make it, praying they’ll be able to pay their bills with their dreams. Use that! You have a massive resource available in L.A. with which you can make nearly any short film you want. Fellow filmmakers looking to get started are willing to work for free or at a steep discount on a worthwhile passion project, especially when you’re willing to do the same. Of course you should pay people as soon as you can, but until then, band together with the ones willing to make projects because they know that’s the only way they are going anywhere.

    Just realized I’m a bit off-topic.

    So do you have to move to L.A.? No. If you can put together a top notch crew with solid gear in your current city, start there. Run through the festival circuit (wisely), create pitches that you can take to places like AFM and other (legit) pitch fests.

    Will it be harder to do it wherever you are? If it’s not New York, yes. If it’s Chicago, maybe. There’s probably a few other maybes, but I’ll leave it at that.

    Take Care,
    Chris
    http://notomorrowthemovie.blogspot.com/

  • Avatar Image Thurman Dalrymple, Jr. said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @Sidney said:
    I’ve tried that… Thing is, the nature of the business is that it’s somewhat of an “On Call” situation, in other words if you’re not on a show and dayplaying, you need to be able to answer the phone at the last second and if you can’t do so the job will end up with someone else.

    As an actor I’ve done more than try it, I’ve been doing it for almost 7 years and I’ve never missed or been late for an audition or shoot in L.A., and I live about 80 miles southeast of Hollywood (1.5- 2.5 hours depending on traffic). I had to create a plan and system of tools to participate in the industry. I had to find a day-job that was flexible, a vehicle in perfect working order, a smart-phone, a laptop and maintain focus and drive. With that being said I do wish I lived in L.A. sometimes, it could make things easier, but that’s not going to “stop” me from working and succeeding.

  • Avatar Image Thurman Dalrymple, Jr. said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Oh, don’t get me wrong, if I was deeper in it I would be forced to change up my mode of operation and move. And I’ve done more than “act” in film, in L.A., so what you (Sidney) just described I understand, but the original question was regarding someones decreasing chances of success to direct or produce if they don’t live in L.A. We don’t start stop directing or acting or (?) just because we don’t live in town. We start where we are and keep making things happen with others of like minds, regardless of your location. It’s true, visions of grandeur and unrealistic time-lines need to be exposed, that’s why Gwendollynne asked the question here. This is great info sharing.

    Now I’m curious, would you hesitate hiring someone based solely on the amount of time or miles they had to drive to the shoot and preproduction meetings? Just curious.

  • Avatar Image PlucharC said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @Sydney – Wow. Are the groups here always this hostile?

    Thanks for judging before you know much of anything about a person.

  • Avatar Image Da_Cat said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    Traveling expenses can be a huge force on the budgets. I live up the coast outside the 30 mile zone, but If I work on the lot, that is my costs to get there and back… however if they happen to need me 5 miles outside the zone (and 30 miles closer for me), then its on their dime…

    from Wikipedia

    In the American entertainment industry, the studio zone (also 30-mile zone) is the area within a 30-mile (48.3 km) radius from the intersection of West Beverly Boulevard and North La Cienega Boulevard in Los Angeles, California. This area includes almost all of the southern half of Los Angeles County, as well as slices of eastern Ventura County and northwestern Orange County. It largely determined the location and success of the original movie ranches; in addition, the studio zone also includes the Metro–Goldwyn–Mayer Conejo Ranch property near Thousand Oaks in Ventura County, although it technically lies outside of the zone’s radius.
    Entertainment industry unions use this area to determine rates and work rules for union workers in the entertainment industry. For instance, International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employes contracts state:
    “Studio rates and working conditions shall prevail for all work performed within the studio zone; however, for newly-called employees and those employees notified on the previous day prior to their departure from the studio (or the zone location) to report at the zone location, work time shall begin and end at the zone location; otherwise, work time shall begin and end at the studio. Such work time includes travel time both ways between the studio and the zone location.” [1]
    “Studio rates” are generally lower than “distant location rates”, which would need to be paid (in addition to travel time and mileage) for work outside the studio zone.

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @Sidney said:
    EDIT: Temecula and the like is a bit of a gray area. That’s sort of kind of an outlying area, I don’t know exactly how the unions would handle that specifically. I know guys that do quite a bit of driving on a daily basis. I’ll ask someone, for informational purposes only.

    The T-Town – we like to call ourselves Southwest Riverside County and there’s a part of the area called the Golden Triangle although I’m not my favorite Golden Triangle.

    Seems to me this area would be considered as far away as San Diego (travel time to LA is just as bad as if you were coming from SD).

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @Sydney – Wow. Are the groups here always this hostile?

    Thanks for judging before you know much of anything about a person.

    @Sidney said:
    I based my statement entirely on the 7 paragraphs you wrote concerning business here in Los Angeles. It sounds suspiciously like it came out of countless books written on the subject, books that I read before coming here, and burned after experiencing what it’s really like.

    To be totally honest, this is the glaring line.

    @plucharc said:
    I’ve done no formal surveys, but I’m willing to bet that the majority of people moving to LA throughout any given year are looking to act or direct.

    I haven’t traveled around the States that much so I can’t say really what’s up with all the cities in the US… but LA is a weird place. It’s not really a city – it’s a giant sprawl of strip malls loosely grouped into neighborhoods. A lot of cities are based around a geographic constraint – like around a river, or a peninsula like San Francisco or New York – LA is a basin with a couple of mountains in it. There’s nothing that distinguishes Beverley Hills from West Hollywood except a street that separates the nice topiary from the pretty rainbow signs.

    Anyhow, contrary to what the tourist thinks – LA is not all Hollywood and glamor. Hollywood isn’t even Hollywood. Even though a majority of the American Entertainment output comes from the TMZ, it doesn’t mean that LA is centered around entertainment. There is a lot of industry in LA and the Long Beach Port serves as a gateway from the Pacific (Chinese Manufacturing) to the rest of the states.

    So the good news is, if you move out here trying to get into Entertainment – there’s plenty of other vocations in the area that you can try to find a job in after you give up (if they ever start hiring again) :)

  • Avatar Image John P. Hess said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @Sidney said:
    I just mapped it and yeah, it’s farther than I thought, like almost 100 miles from “Studio Central”, i was thinking like 50 or 60. Still though, I know a lot of guys who do live in pretty outlying areas and choose to commute. All of them have been working in the industry a long time though, and know the ins and outs… Most of these guys could probably get away with a phone call telling their boss that the 405 is jammed and they’re not gonna be there on time. Me, not so much. I’m too far down the totem pole for that. I’d get replaced in a heartbeat

    Well for what it’s worth – I would NEVER expect to live in Temecula and look for work in LA in any of the film trades. I know the reality of SoCal commute…

    I once had to do a talking shoot in West LA – off of Bundy (I remember that because that’s the street the FOX affiliate is on). I left my house at 5AM for a 9AM call and I got there at 11:00AM. 6 hours to travel about 100 miles.

    They were very nice about it and they said it was the worst traffic they’ve ever seen… but my god.

    I suspect for me, there will come a time when I will have to have something there.

    Thing with this industry is no one has the same history… there’s no one path to get where you want to go (although some are harder than others). That PA that’s locking down the set could strike up a great conversation with sound guy and work a great short that gets attention… Or not…

  • Avatar Image Simon Hosick said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    You know something, I’m in the middle of nowhere. I’m going to make my own movie industry. With backjack. And hookers.

    Infact… forget the blackjack.

  • Avatar Image Dennis said 1 year, 6 months ago:

    @Sidney said:
    I based my statement entirely on the 7 paragraphs you wrote concerning business here in Los Angeles. It sounds suspiciously like it came out of countless books written on the subject, books that I read before coming here, and burned after experiencing what it’s really like.

    Well I’m just happy there are people here that read. ;)

    Now, do you burn those books after you become bitter and jaded or before?

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